July 2020

Episode #301: The Economy and COVID-19: Recovery or Relapse?

Will there be an effective COVID-19 vaccine by the end of the year? Will schools reopen? Will there be another expansion of government subsidies? As COVID cases increase, will more states lockdown again? Join Ed and Ron for all these questions and more, on our update on COVID-19 and the economy.

Segment One Topics

Recovery or relapse? Neither of us really know, nor does anyone else.

Will and when the economy return to normal? Rabbi Daniel Lapin points out in a recent Thought Tool, that there is no word in Hebrew for “normal.” Yes, eventually the economy will rebound, but Lapin thinks a better question is: “When shall we live our lives to the fullest?”

Men lose their mind in herds but recover them only one by one.

Four assumptions about COVID-19, from National Review’s Jim Geraghty, July 16, 2020:

  1. COVID in the USA is more contagious (ten times more) than the strain initially found in Asia.

  2. The death rate is extremely low, but with millions infected that still translates into a horrific loss of life.

  3. A vaccine is coming as fast as anyone could hope for.

  4. Our battle with this virus will last at least till the end of this year, and very well for several more years.

And, as The Economist notes, America has gained nearly 30 new billionaires since March. The top five are thought to be 26% richer collectively than before COVID-19.

Segment Two Topics

Operation Warp Speed (OWS): OWS is a partnership among components of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), and the Department of Defense (DoD). OWS engages with private firms and other federal agencies, including the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Energy, and the Department of Veterans Affairs. It will coordinate existing HHS-wide efforts, including the NIH’s Accelerating COVID-19 Therapeutic Interventions and Vaccines (ACTIV) partnership, NIH’s Rapid Acceleration of Diagnostics (RADx) initiative, and work by BARDA.

$3 billion has been spent on two vaccines. Pfizer has rejected cash from OWS, saying the government just slows the firm down. The Economist reports in “Moonshot,” July 4, 2020, that 180 vaccines are in development. Making a dose of the vaccine costs about as much as a cup of coffee.

Oxford University Coronavirus Vaccine Trial Produces Strong Immune Response,” National Review, Mairead Mcardle, July 2020.

The people with hidden immunity against Covid-19,” BBC July 19, 2020, Zaria Gorvett.

Sir Isaac Newton had it right when trying to cure the bubonic plague. The answer? Toad vomit. From smithsoinianmag.com, June 5, 2020, by Alex Fox.

Segment Three Topics

The most silly story Ed has read is from Reuters out of South Korea: “People are more likely to contract COVID-19 at home, study finds,” July 21, 2020.

David Bahnsen at Dividend Cafe has a podcast, COVID and Markets, that reports daily on the pandemic and the economy. Ron listened to July 22 and 23 episodes, and one theory posited is that New York City, Sweden, and Delhi, India are approaching herd immunity.

The five states where new cases are rising most rapidly: Mississippi, Alaska, Nevada, Louisiana, and Idaho.

Retail Subscriptions Thrive During COVID-19,” Forbes, Kaleigh Moore, July 15, 2020. It reports that one in five consumers have purchased a subscription during the pandemic.

If we don't start to see inflation then Ron and Ed think we need to reconsider the theory of inflation—specifically, the Quantity Theory of Money.

Segment Four Topics

Should we reopen the schools? NPR OnPoint did an interesting show on this topic, speaking with pediatricians from around the world. Also, The Economist says “Let them learn,” arguing that keeping schools closed will do more harm than good.

Florida Teachers Unions Sues to Stop School Openings amid Virus Surge,” National Review, Brittany Bernstein, July 21, 2020.

Why is there a shortage of coins in the economy? “COVID’s Latest Trick: Making Coins Disappear,” FEE, July 20, 2020.


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Episode #300: Celebrating 300 — Ron and Ed are interviewed by Matt Burgess

Join us as we celebrate the 300th episode of The Soul of Enterprise. Ron and Ed had the tables turned on them and were interviewed by Matthew Burgess, a previous Guest on the show. Matthew promised and delivered on some fun conversation and insights into the workings of the show. A BIG THANK YOU to YOU, our audience, who has made this all possible.

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But first…a bit more about Matthew Burgess
Matthew Burgess founded specialist timeless Australian law firm View in 2014 (see www.viewlegal.com.au). For the previous 17 years, he was a lawyer and partner of one of Australia’s leading independent law firms and in 2002 was one of the firm’s youngest ever partner appointments. In part leveraging off the skills gained from advising a range of successful businesses, Matthew Burgess has been the catalyst in developing a number of innovative legal solutions; including establishing what is widely regarded as Australia’s first virtual law firm. Matthew last filled in a timesheet in 2013, and has been a passionate and vocal advocate for professional service firms to abandon the heritage inputs based time billing business model. In 2017, Matthew’s vision of an integrated fintech and legal solution based on membership pricing (ie subscription) was realised with the joint venture between NowInfinity (see: www.nowinfinity.com.au) and View Legal.

So what does episode 300 look like?
Given that the format was a bit different for this show, we found ourselves talking about a lot of the past episodes. This list is a GREAT resource if you are new to the show or would like to catch up on some of the best shows throughout the years.

Segment One Shows

Segment Two Shows

Segment Three Shows

Segment Four Questions


Bonus Content is Available As Well

Did you know that each week after our live show, Ron and Ed take to the microphone for a bonus show? Typically, this bonus show is an extension of the live show topic (sometimes even with the same guest) and a few other pieces of news, current events, or things that have caught our attention.

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Episode #299: Healing Leadership 2020 — Interview with Howard Hansen

Ed and Ron are thrilled to bring back Howard Hansen, coauthor of the groundbreaking book Healing Leadership - A Survival Guide for the Enlightened Leader. Here is a brief summary of what Healing Leadership is all about: "We see leadership as primarily an emotional process, rather than a strategic one. It is about courage and being oneself, rather than strategies and techniques to change someone. It is being the one who says what he or she sees ("The emperor has no clothes.") and letting people make their own choices accordingly. We call “bullshit” on traditional models of leadership and advocate for a rational approach to leadership that will not hinder meaningful change. Quite simply, the “Command and Conquer” style of leadership does not work, long term. What’s more, it ultimately proves to be toxic. Therefore, Healing Leadership is about giving up the irrational hope of trying to change others."

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A bit more about Howard Hansen
“My travels through the world of work and leadership include roles in management and consulting. I've watched and participated in the stories I now tell. The stories reflect moments of joy, pain and truth. They offer insights into what works and doesn't work for leaders. Now, approaching my 40th year of practicing management, consulting and coaching, I have been struck by how unhealthy workplaces have become. My journey now focuses on helping these places to heal by helping heal the leaders who lead them.”

Segment One Questions

  • Leadership as a concept needed to be healed, but also, if leadership is done well, it could be healing in and of itself – it could actually heal some of the harms that people come with and you guys profess that the best place that this could happen was inside businesses. Give us a few minutes overview of the concept of healing leadership.

  • With the addition to the COVID-19 crisis, but also the situation that has happened with Black Lives Matter and the increase anxiety, have we lost? Should we just wrap this show up and go home?

  • Howard, and it struck me as you're talking is that this is not a question of the notion of leaders themselves. This is that you're just hearing or we're just not hearing any conversation about the about the concept of leadership and the importance of it.

  • Which gets back to my first question a moment ago, and your first observation, is this even worth talking about anymore?

  • In a book called The Extraordinary Popular Delusions and Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackey in 1841, he says, “Men go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.

Segment Two Questions

  • We had a conversation about Chronic vs Episodic Anxiety

Here is a graph that represents a person or system with a low level of chronic anxiety

Here is a graph that represents a person or system with a higher level of chronic anxiety

Segment Three Questions

  • Howard, I wanted to see if we can talk perhaps a little bit about organizational gridlock, and then even move into what potentially people can do about this.

  • I just think that the notion of anxious versus non anxious is worth exploring. Could you talk a little bit about that?

  • Why don't we even hear the concept of mature vs immature anymore?

Segment Four Questions

  • Listener David asks, “I'm interested to know if Howard has a perspective on whether remote working (whether COVID-19 related or not) is material to him as it impairs the ability of a workplace to deliver on meaningfulness? And if so, what can a conscientious employer do to maintain the possibility of workplace contributing to a sense of meaning.

  • After answering the above question, Ed asked if Howard was comfortable revealing who that boss was in this context (referred to as the best boss Howard ever had)?

    • [Howard Hansen] Yes, it is Doug Burgum, the current governor of North Dakota.


Bonus Content is Available As Well

Did you know that each week after our live show, Ron and Ed take to the microphone for a bonus show? Typically, this bonus show is an extension of the live show topic (sometimes even with the same guest) and a few other pieces of news, current events, or things that have caught our attention.

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Episode Reprise: Interview with economist Dan Mitchell

Dan Mitchell fights for more freedom and less government (which is purposefully redundant).

You can now use the link above to listen to our interview with Dan Mitchell (if reading this via email, then just visit TheSoulOfEnterprise.com). Originally aired as Episode #290, we ran this again during the (observed) 4th of July holiday here in the United States. Subscribe to The Soul of Enterprise in your podcast player of choice and never miss an episode again.

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A Bit More About Dan Mitchell

Daniel J. Mitchell is a co-founder of the Center for Freedom and Prosperity and the Center for Freedom and Prosperity Foundation. He is one of the nation’s leading experts on tax reform and supply-side tax policy. In addition to tax policy, Dr. Mitchell is a trenchant observer of economic developments and an expert on Social Security privatization – particularly the fiscal policy impact of reform and what the US can learn from other nations that have created personal retirement accounts. Dr. Mitchell’s by-line can be found in such national publications as the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and Investor’s Business Daily. He holds a Ph.D. in Economics from George Mason University and master’s and bachelor’s degrees in economics from the University of Georgia. Mitchell was a senior fellow with the Cato Institute and The Heritage Foundation, and an economist for Senator Bob Packwood and the Senate Finance Committee.