December 2021

Episode #371: Auditing Santa

auditing santa

We have a really special treat for you with this episode! Somehow we managed to get our recording equipment into the offices of Santa, Inc. during an audit! Join the conversation in progress and find out how naughty or nice Santa has been with the tax code!

(There probably should have been a “gratuitous dad joke ahead” warning on that one. Sorry, folks.)


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Episode #370: Third Interview with Economist Michael Munger

Ron and Ed were honored to welcome back, for the third time, economist Michael Munger. He's the author of many great books, including Tomorrow 3.0; Is Capitalism Sustainable?; and The Sharing Economy. Join Ed and Ron for what will surely be an enlightening and fun conversation with one of our favorite guests.

Before we get into the show notes, let’s learn a bit more about Michael Munger:

Professor Michael Munger received his Ph.D. in Economics at Washington University in St. Louis in 1984. Following his graduate training, he worked as a staff economist at the Federal Trade Commission. His first teaching job was in the Economics Department at Dartmouth College, followed by appointments in the Political Science Department at the University of Texas at Austin 19861990 and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 19901997. At UNC he directed the MPA Program, which trains public service professionals, especially city and county management. He moved to Duke in 1997, and was Chair of the Political Science Department from 2000 through 2010. He has won three University-wide teaching awards the Howard Johnson Award, an NAACP Image Award for teaching about race, and admission to the Bass Society of Teaching Fellows. He is currently director of the interdisciplinary PPE Program at Duke University.

Here are the show notes from Michael’s interview with Ron and Ed:

  • Here is the most recent Wall Street Journal article written by Michael Munger: https://www.wsj.com/articles/no-biden-price-plan-wage-stagnation-inflation-money-supply-price-regulation-control-federal-reserve-11639517901?mod=opinion_lead_pos5

  • From the same article by Michael Munger: “Prices rise when goods become scarce or the money supply rises rapidly.”

  • (With extreme incredulity) “The Fed has been buying corporate debt with money it has been printing. What could go wrong??!!?” —Michael Munger

  • “The United States is in a uniquely powerful position because we can exploit the fact that we have a global currency.” —Michael Munger

  • “The problem with crypto is that people have two reasons for holding cash, speculative and transactional.” —Michael Munger

  • Most people are not overly familiar with Modern Monetary Theory. Michael Munger gave a great overview during the first segment of our show. Here’s a quick primer from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory

  • Was inflation a result of greed? No. Let’s consider the huge increase in cash balances, sporadic supply chain, and difficulties with the labor market.

  • Profit is a signal that says “do more of this” but profit is less than 1% of the consumer surplus in the system.

  • There is not a single country that has solved the problem of poverty using socialism. They have all used capitalism.

  • “If you honestly care about poor people, you are a capitalist.” —Michael Munger

  • 40% of American imports come through one port. We haven’t built a port in decades. Is the Foreign Dredge Act partly to blame? https://www.heritage.org/trade/commentary/113-year-old-law-hurting-american-ports

  • In 2022, Michael Munger will run again for the North Carolina General Assembly. I would say “you heard it here first” but that’s probably not true. It’s big news nonetheless!

  • Let’s go back to September 2021 and talk about Michael’s article in AIER - “Nutzenschmerz” https://www.aier.org/article/nutzenschmerz/

  • We had a COVID-19 vaccine before the CDC had a working test to detect the virus. If the FDA can get out of the way, this might be the last pandemic. Ever.

  • Everyone should take this FREE course from Michael Munger over the holidays. Capitalism & Political Economy - https://sites.duke.edu/intrope/

  • Did you know that Michael Munger has written…..ahem…..a few books? Check out “The Sharing Economy” at this link https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09CDV3VS9/

  • We would love to have you as a part of our community at Patreon.com/TSOE. While Ron and Ed published a show about why you shouldn’t buy gifts for the holidays, we are willing to make an exception for bonus and commercial free episodes.

  • “If I think of it, some entrepreneur thought of it 5 years ago.” —Michael Munger

  • “If we can commodify excess capacity that’s what sharing is. And that’s what platforms do.” —Michael Munger

  • A big THANK YOU to Michael Munger for joining us today. Why not check out one of his books like “Is Capitalism Sustainable?” https://www.amazon.com/Capitalism-Sustainable-Michael-Munger-ebook/dp/B07VZ8ZP11/


Episode #369: Interview with Colin Rule, President and CEO of Mediate.com

Colin Rule

Ron and Ed first encountered Colin Rule's work when reading Richard and Daniel Susskind's book, The Future of the Professions (Episode 74) in which the online dispute resolution system used by eBay was touted as handling more cases per year than the entire US court system. In what promises to be a wide-ranging interview, Ron and Ed will explore this topic and more.

Before we get into the show notes, let’s learn a bit more about Colin rule:

Colin Rule was the first employee hired by Mediate.com when he served as Mediate.com’s first General Manager in 1999. With RIS support, Rule founded OnlineResolution.com in 2000, one of the world’s first online dispute resolution (ODR) providers. In 2003 Rule became the first Director of ODR for eBay and PayPal. In 2011 Rule co-founded Modria.com, an ODR provider he led as CEO and COO. In 2017 Tyler Technologies acquired Modria and Rule became Tyler’s first Vice President of Online Dispute Resolution. Colin is the author of Online Dispute Resolution for Business, published by Jossey-Bass in 2002, and The New Handshake: Online Dispute Resolution and the Future of Consumer Protection, published by the American Bar Association in 2017. He received the first Frank Sander Award for Innovation in ADR from the American Bar Association in 2020, and the Mary Parker Follett Award from the Association for Conflict Resolution in 2013. He holds a Master's degree from Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government in conflict resolution and technology, a graduate certificate in dispute resolution from UMass-Boston, a B.A. from Haverford College in Peace Studies, and he served as a Peace Corps volunteer in Eritrea from 1995-1997.

Here are the show notes from Colin’s interview with Ron and Ed:

  • Colin has always been interested in dispute resolution and he “is also a nerd” - Two minutes into the show and we love him already!

  • It’s clear that we are digitizing our society from social networks, to iPhones, to wifi over the last 20 years. The next 20 will be even more disruptive. AI, the metaverse, quantum computing. We need to continually reinvent the way we deliver key functions in society.

  • eBay, PayPal, AirBNB, Uber. They have all built their own redress systems / resolution centers instead of relying on the traditional justice system.

  • Here’s a quick primer: Mediation is kind of like assisted negotiation. Any outcome is by agreement from both of the parties.

  • “The notion of decentralized justice is interesting because the outcomes can be automatically enforced.” —Colin Rule

  • Mediation is when two parties come together with a third party to help guide; Arbitration is when the third party has authority; Binding arbitration is when the result must be followed

  • “Rationality is in the eye of the beholder.” —Colin Rule

  • There are challenges in integrating artificial intelligence into the justice system. Colin has lengthy (positive) thoughts about this during the second segment of our show today.

  • Has there been an Increase in mediation with Covid? Yes, there has been a massive move online and it probably will not significantly revert back.

  • Take a moment and check out Patreon.com/TSOE where you will find both commercial free AND bonus episodes. Sponsored by @90Minds. Need a mind? Get one at 90Minds.com

  • The ICC International Court of Arbitration is part of the International Chamber of Commerce in Paris, France. https://iccwbo.org/dispute-resolution-services/icc-international-court-arbitration/

  • Younger generations are very comfortable with emotional expression via technology. This is an example of why online dispute resolution works for family matters.

  • Where could online dispute resolution fit where it is not being applied today? Video games. (With a hat tip to Anne Sawyer)

  • “The future is already here – it's just not evenly distributed.” —William Gibson

  • It’s really interesting to Colin when he thinks about an algorithm that can go out and advocate on your behalf. More details during the 4th segment of our show today.A big THANK YOU to Colin Rule for being such an amazing guest. Check out “The New Handshake: Online Dispute Resolution and the Future of Consumer Protection” on Amazon at this link: https://www.amazon.com/New-Handshake-Resolution-Consumer-Protection/dp/B072BX9BRQ


Bonus Content is Available As Well

Did you know that each week after our live show, Ron and Ed take to the microphone for a bonus show? Typically, this bonus show is an extension of the live show topic (sometimes even with the same guest) and a few other pieces of news, current events, or things that have caught our attention.

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Episode #368: Economic Lessons from Literature - The Verger and Harrison Bergeron

In the past year, two short stories have come to Ron and Ed's attention that provide some economic insights: Somerset Maugham's The Verger and Kurt Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron. In The Verger, a church employee is fired even though he does his "work quite satisfactorily." Bergeron is a cautionary tale of the notion of equity - equality of outcome.

For those who would love to do read these short, short stories before catching up on the show, links can be found here:

Here are the show notes:

  • “The Young-Adult Appeal of Kurt Vonnegut”, Kyle Smith, National Review, November 23, 2021 - https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/11/the-young-adult-appeal-of-kurt-vonnegut/

  • “Kurt Vonnegut - Unstuck In Time” is a new documentary on Vonnegut. Here is the link: https://vonnegutdocumentary.com/

  • We have some seriously GREAT sponsors on The Soul of Enterprise and wanted to say thank you! So….THANK YOU to Fyle, next generation expense management software. You can find them at https://www.fylehq.com/ and @FyleHQ

  • “The damage done in pursuit of equality surpasses the damage done by inequality, by orders of magnitude.” —Ron Baker

  • “The envy of excellence leads to perdition; the love of it leads to the light.” —George Gilder

  • Our second story on today’s show was written by William Somerset Maugham. Here is a link to his background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Somerset_Maugham

  • Here is another seriously great sponsor! 90 Minds sponsors our Patreon page at Patreon.com/TSOE where you can find bonus and commercial free episodes. 90 Minds is a community for ERP consultants and resellers. If you need a mind, you can find one 90Minds.com or @90Minds

  • “Capitalism offers nothing but frustrations and rebuffs to those who wish - because of claimed superiority of intelligence, birth, credentials, or ideals - to get without giving, to take without risking, to profit without sacrifice, to be exalted without humbling themselves to understand others and meet their needs.” —George Gilder

  • “At the heart of capitalism is the unification of knowledge and power.” —George Gilder

  • “Nothing is more deadly to achievement than the belief that effort will not be rewarded, that the world is a bleak and discriminatory place in which only the predatory and the specially preferred can get ahead.” —George Gilder

  • “In every age everybody knows that up to his own time, progressive improvement has been taking place; nobody seems to reckon on any improvement in the next generation. We cannot absolutely prove that those are in error who say society has reached a turning point—that we have seen our best days. But so said all who came before us and with just as much apparent reason…. On what principle is it that with nothing but improvement behind us, we are to expect nothing but deterioration before us?” —Thomas Babington Macaulay

We also answer a listener email during the show from Askel:

Ron & Ed,

Love the podcast. Possible free rider topic re: AI stealing jobs

I hear a lot of people talk about how AI will take away jobs, and you guys even broached the topic briefly on the podcast 6 years ago. I don't understand this line of thinking. When the industrial revolution happened and multiple technologies replaced human labor (think agriculture) with machines, it wasn't like the 80% of the human labor force previously devoted to agriculture just sat on their bums and never worked again.

Instead, the technological innovations freed humanity up to pursue work that was far more productive than before due to leverage. Think of construction - 50 men digging with shovels can be replaced by one man piloting an excavator while accomplishing more in a fraction of the time. One man driving a combine to harvest a field can replace hundreds of laborers. So why are so many people still saying that when AI replaces truck and taxi drivers, or personal assistants, or bookkeepers, or ______, that there will be this large swath of humanity that just has nothing to do?

I, for one, welcome our future robotic AI overlords. I don't know what the jobs will look like in 50 years, but I would bet money that they leverage machines, AI, and other advances so that one human can produce and create far more than was possible today, and seemed unfathomable 50 years ago.

Keep up the great work guys, please feel free to chop this up into something usable if you address it on the show. Would love to hear both of your thoughts on this topic as well!

Thank you,
Aksel